Jane Lake Makes a Mistake

A conservative backlash, you say that it is a negative thing. That would imply that all of the decisions made by the courts over lets say ever have been slanted liberal. That isn't exactly a glowing report on a court that should be unbiased and strictly interpreting what the US Constitution says. The Justices are not supposed to interject their biases into their decisions, but we all know that every liberal Justice has been doing that for decades.

What I think is truly amazing is how when Chief Justice John Roberts and Samuel Alito were appointed and confirmed to the bench many of the liberals were beside themselves saying that they tide has turned on the US Supreme Court and that the republicans has taken over all branches of the government. Now we have a decision by the US Supreme Court and these same people aren't admitting that they are wrong, only cloating that they slammed Bush.

When an egg and sperm meet (conception), a unique DNA sequence is formed that will identify that "human being" for the rest of their lives. There is no grey issue that if this "human being" is not aborted, he/she will be born, grow, and live. A sperm alone will not and an egg alone will not. It is irrelevant when a soul or consciousness is there. The future is already cast in stone upon conception.

Miscarriage is like getting hit by a bus. You have no control over it happening, but it doesn't invalidate your life before it happens. A life if only days old has value and some say, whether you choose to believe it or not, that parents will recognize their miscarried children in heaven, as the length of one's life does not matter.

A swear to anything holy(I am not religious) but every Right to Lifer is an idiot.

I am NOT for abortion. I find it vaguely repugnant(I am a man, so I have no practical knowlege of it).

What I AM is pro-CHOICE. That a woman has a right to choose. it's a fundamental right as an American citizen and well as a human being. I sooo don't prescribed to the notion that at conception we have a thinking, unique individual. nothing is formed, the brain must have certain things going on with it before it has reached a certain developmental stage. it sure the heck isn't going on at conception, it has no brain to speak of. think of it this way, the brain is made up of millions and millions of cells to be full formed for cognitive thinking(even babies have it, just very underdeveloped right after birth). This is what separates us from animals. In terms of cellular growth, there is NO REAL(now i said REAL mind you) difference between a human fetus vs animal fetus(well lets say chimp fetus as it is our closest relative). Does it suck that a childs potential is taken away. Yes it is. Should this decision be taken lightly? of course not! yes I despise those women who are serial abortionist, those are horrible women. That fact is if the religious leaders would take a more active role in the lives of women regarding birth control(and not brand women as heretics for pre-marital sex) there would be alot less abortions. If they would not look at women as second class citizens(and please don't even say they don't, as a whole ALL religions do!)then this world may be a better place. Do I lay this all at the feet of religion, no. but does it have some responsbility, you bet it does. Religion is ultimate form of fascism. it truly does tell you how to live. Yes Yes most of it makes moral sense. i am not some anarchist and believe in nothing moral. but I find it hard to find faith in an institution which on one side of its face portrays the outrage of abortion but on the other feels free to kill people in the names of its religion, has priests running around sodomizing little boys and in the case of the catholic Church, makes more money than any single entity in the world.

yes yes i know the arguements, shouldn't make that decision for someone/something that cannot make it themselves , what makes it any different from murder etc etc. We can go round and round on it. but what it comes down to is this.

Do you want the government to decide the fate of YOUR life and body?? If so, please move to another country(ie Iran) that tells its women what it can and can't do in every aspect of their life. You'll probably find it more enjoyable(that was sarcastic, I KNOW you wouldn't).

Now let's just pretend here that abortion is now made illegal. YAY for those religious fanatics you guys finally won! Well what's next?? Well you know that women shouldn't wear the type of clothing they wear because it could lead to pre-marital sex and that could cause some young woman to become pregnant and since now abortion is illegal so should short skirts and tank tops. The main reason it became legal was the fact that many women were dying each year from illegal abortions. That some hack off the street were performing them.

let's see Jane as a 23 year old woman, would you like the fact that the government tells you what to wear? how to think? What you can and can't do with your life??? That is EXACTLY what is going on at this moment.

Ok ok before you flame, that was a bit exaggerated but it's not by much. How many times has censorship been tried? Once there is a foothold in any right to choose, you start down a path that is truly fascist. Period.

me, I enjoy my freedoms in America ALL of them.

I salute ALL people who give an opinion. truly i do, it invites discussion and debate. The great thing about America is that fact that it allows people to choose a side.

Ok off the Roe v Wade soapbox.

I find it interesting that ALL conservatives say that the Supreme Court has been liberal. How is that a bad thing?? let's just tick down some of their bigger decisions. Slavery is wrong..is that bad? Women actually have a vote in government. how is that wrong?? freedom of Speech upheld? how is that wrong..shoot go down the list of our laws and say how they are wrong???

People who say they are conservatives say that they would not change laws, that is what it means by conservative, are morally incomprehensible then. If you are saying that the Courts have been liberal you are correct as they are about change, about forming laws or repealing laws, taking away freedoms of individuals within America. Are you saying as a conservative you don't support that?

i could go on and on about this subject, ridiculous calling people conservatives and liberals, it provides an automatic dividing line which I really despise. This includes party denominations (Republican vs Democrat).

All of you that call yourselves conservatives, feel free but unless you don't want change and are happy with the status quo, you are a liberal:)

I apologize for rambling on, i write something then think of something else. I jumped around all over the place but these are strictly my opinions on the above subjects:)

Mr. Long-winded anonymous:

I know you know all the arguments, but pro-choice is pro-abortion. The statistics bare that out.

A 1 year old is also completely dependent on his/her parents for survival. Does that mean if parents CHOOSE they can kill there 1 year old child?

HH:

The side effect of a choice is part of the choice. Poverty and child abuse can be dealt with as they are major problems with or without abortion. How do you deal with the side effect of death?

...and what was your 'much more logical rebuttal'?

HH:

On your previous post I have the following comment.

I believe in heaven age will have no relevance on how you view other people. They will all look perfect. An embryo will look as familiar to you as your own parents. That is the beauty and perfection of heaven. (IMHO)

Now to address your more recent points.

Pro-Life:
- Children being born of raped and incestuous women.

They are as beautiful and as wondrous as being the children of a loving couple.

- Overpopulation of the DCF adoption agency.

Demand will meet supply. You woul be surprised how many people would adopt a baby if they knew it would be otherwise aborted.

- Poverty for woman who may have had a chance at a better life (try going to college as the soul provider for a baby).

You misspelled "sole", but anyway, society will find solutions, and the billions of dollars (including tax dollars)currently funnelling into the abortion industry can be redirected.

- Increase in child abuse from unfit mothers.

Improvement in social services will provide help for those who need it and punishment for those who abuse their roles.

- Increase in infant mortality by unfit mothers (How do YOU deal with death?).

Human nature takes over when you become a parent. I think there would be less unfit mothers than you think. Humans were made to be parents.

- Increase in death of mothers who are not physically capable of bearing children and die during birthing (How do YOU deal with death?).

The one time abortion is acceptable is if the life of the mother is actually threatened. 99.9% of the time the best way to save the mother is deliver the baby, not abort it. Remember that viability is getting earlier and earlier.

- Death of women by unsafe clinics and using primitive methods to induce miscarriage (like hangers)

This was propaganda used by pro-aborts to get Roe v Wade passed. The actual numbers of deaths by those means were amazingly small.
More women actually die from hemmorraging as a result of abortions in "safe clinics".

- Increase in violent crime from emotionally scared adults who grew up in an unloving environment (read Freakonomics by Steven D. Levitt).

You misspelled "scarred", but anyway, the answer is to help the environment to become more loving.

- Massive strains on the welfare system.

Already being dealt with by finding these people jobs and dealing with better training and support, so that they will not need welfare.

So, how do you deal with all these problems? Including the violent death of infants by unfit mothers and the death of the mothers themselves?

Answered above!

Pro-Choice:
- Taking the life of an embryo or fetus that a minority of the population consider to be a human being.
READ MY PREVIOUS POST ABOUT THE MISCARRIAGE RATE

Abortions occur at all 9 months of pregnancy. The majority of people consider the majority of abortions to be at a point that they consider it a human being. In other words, the vast majority believe abortion is taking the life of a human being.

- Decrease in sexual responsibility.

This increases disease and other harmful byproducts as well.

- May be mentally harmful to young women.

Enough said.

HH:

I apologize for the spelling debacle. I was just having fun with you and trying to lighten a very serious topic. Obviously I am as imperfect a speller as the next person.

On the miscarriage issue, all I am saying is we do not know nor understand God's plan. I accept that God has his reasons for taking a life and it is not important for me to know what it is.

If I had all of the answers that you said are my "hopes" I would implement them and run the world, but I don't. What I do know is there are smarter people than myself that if focused could solve each of these issues.

They sure didn't have a problem created an atomic bomb when the best brains were commissioned to do it.

It is a matter of focusing our priorities on the right issues and understanding what the wrong issues are.

I can't agree to disagree. I like to have the last word.

I just want to let you know that you can have sexual activity without intercourse. It actually can be a lot of fun, and the chance of pregnancy...0%

That is not abstinence but works just as well.